CLEAR POWDER-COATING OVER STEEL PATINAS?

FAQ'S RE: STEEL PATINAS & DYES
FAQ'S RE: STEEL PATINAS & DYES
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CLEAR POWDER-COATING OVER STEEL PATINAS?


Hello Bill.
I Have Had Awesome Results With RUST F/X, and use it frequently. I have had a couple bad experiences with putting clear powder coat on it—maybe 2 out of 10 times.
 
What appears to be happening is the Rust is out gassing during the PC process creating trillions of microscopic bubbles, creating a milky white affect in the PC over the rust. I have been doing a lot of testing lately and am learning more about it, but I thought I would ask you if you have run into this.
I have more testing to do, but what it is looking like so far is the treated piece needs to be pre-baked in the PC oven before applying the PC.
 
I have found no problems with clear paint.
Any thoughts?
 
Thanks, Dave.

Hi Dave,
[dropcap]A[/dropcap] couple of things come to mind, as I’ve run into the identical problem you’re mentioning,  many years ago.
By the way…No Pre-Bake is Necessary…it will encourage Flash-Rust.   Heat, Oxygen & Moisture are the 3 Main Elements of Ferrous Metal Oxidation, and Iron Oxide (Rust) is the enemy when Clear-Coating, No Matter What Clear You Use.
RUST F/X OR AUBURN F/X, ( the 2 Rusting Solutions I have) require copious amounts of water rinse, after you’ve reached the color range you want with the patinas.   I usually mist the steel 3, 4 or even 5-6 times, letting it dry naturally, WITHOUT rinsing between applications.
But, after I have the color range (hue/colors/streaks/intensity, character, etc.), I rinse the hell out of it & let it Air-Dry.   I don’t recommend Forced Air or Heated Air for doing this.   
The white specks are the sulfides & salts from the chemical ingredients in both products.    The patina doesn’t have a propensity to ‘off-gas’, during the bake-cycle, since there are no petroleum distillates or solvents involved in the formulae or in the process of applying patinas to steel.  
Here’s the biggest single trick to know when powder-coating (or clear-coating) over a Rusted Patina:  Go Over the Entire Piece ~ Front, Back & Sides, with a high-quality Tack-Rag, just prior to shooting on the powder or shooting the 2-Part Clear.  Also, make sure that your steel is 100% dry, as latent moisture can also cause white specks or cloudy clear-coat.
Don’t use any solvents during the entire process, or you will have issues.
And, when Powder-Coating Clear, use the best quality powder you can get.   I like a 100% Gloss Clear, but more importantly, keep your bake temp & cycle time to a minimum.    When the Clear PC flows, take it out!  And, whatever you do, (or have done by others), do NOT let the piece warm-down/cool-down inside the oven.   A lot of Powder-Coating Companies do this, and it may be fine for PC over bare metal, but when Steel Patinas are involved, it is a Huge Detriment, With Absolutely Zero Benefit/s. 
Let me know if this info helps, or if you have any further questions.   I’ll be glad to help in any way I can.
Thanks,
Bill
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